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he knows exactly what project 2025 will do in restricting and taking our freedoms. the desperate attempt by donald trump to hide his own agenda. >> i don't know what it is, project 25. >> tonight, as kamala harris heads to key swing states with abortion on the ballot . >> i think that abortion has become much less of an issue, it is a very -- i think it is actually going to be a very small issue. >> her opponent tries to three card monte his own plan for a nationwide ban. thin. relief, cautiously optimistic. >> reporter: the butterfat about the new democratic ticket, the shift in down ballot polls since biden stepped aside and the real reason donald trump went all the way to montana tonight. >> doc ronnie johnson, does everyone know ronnie johnson? >> "all in" starts right now.

at evening from new york. at this hour, we are watching the scene unfold at the desert diamond arena in glendale, arizona. that is where vice president kamala harris and her running mate, tim walz are holding their latest jampacked rally come easy senator mark kelly right there with his wife, gabby giffords. this venue has a capacity of nearly 20,000 and it looks absolutely packed, making it, we think, the largest rally this campaign season for either side so far. it is the fourth stop on their campaign blitz through five battleground states yet this week, it is proving to be just as exciting and well attended as the others, this might be the biggest one yet. voters in arizona had a lot to be fired up about this year because there is the new exciting democratic nominee at the top of the ticket but they also have one of the marquee senate races in the country, with trump surrogate carrie lake view last two years ago for governor even though she said it was stolen from her,

hopefully. she is now back at it again facing off against democratic congressman ruben gallego for the seat currently held by retiring independent kyrsten sinema. crucially also on top of that, arizonans are going to have a chance to vote on a ballot initiative that would enshrine the right to an abortion in the state constitution and you will remember that comes in the wake of a conservative effort in that state, a successful one, at least for a bit, to revive a civil war era law banning nearly all abortions. kamala harris has made abortion- rights a key part of her young campaign, pledging to sign the bill into law restoring the protections of roe v wade. as vice president, she has been the white house's main messenger on reproductive rights. her opponent, donald trump, is desperately attempting to dodge the issue. yesterday and that our long rambling press conference in mar-a-lago the former president claimed the fighter abortion- rights is basically over and guess what? nobody cares anymore.

>> i think the abortion issue is written very much temper down. i think abortion has become much less of an issue, it is a very -- i think it is actually going to be a very small issue. what i have done is i have done what every democrat and every republican wanted to have done and we brought that issue back to the states. now the states are voting on it. i think the abortion issue has been taken down many notches. i don't think it is a big factor anymore, really. that issue is very much subdued. >> that will come as news, of course, to the mother of say, a 13-year-old being forced to give birth to her child. a reporter later pressed trump about how he plans to vote since it is all about the states, right? how he is going to vote as a voter on an actual abortion initiative that will be on the ballot like arizona and florida, his home state this year. and of course, nothing came of

it. he responded with this obvious go to nonsense deflection. >> i am going to announce that, i'm going to actually have a press conference on the some point in the near future so i don't want to tell you now, but florida does have a vote coming up on that and i think probably the boat will go in a little more liberal way than people thought, but i will be announcing that at the appropriate time. >> for sure, buddy. nbc news correspondent garrett haake followed up with whether the food and drug administration , he would ask him to revoke -- instead of playing you the sound because i think sometimes it masks how incoherent tom's answers are, i'm going to read this to you verbatim. here is what donald trump, the republican nominee, said. you can do things that would supplement absolutely and those things are pretty open and humane. what are those things? i don't know. but you have to be able to have a vote and all i want to do is

give everybody a vote and the votes are taking place right now as we speak. garrett then rightly asked the following question, is that something you would consider? meaning can the fda ban this drug? there are many things i humane basis you can do outside of that. what does that refer to? i have no idea but you also have to get a vote and people are going to have to decide. what is that answer? it is not coherent, it is meaningless. not for lack of effort by garrett. and then a spokesperson -- what it seems to say is again, donald trump says yeah, he would be open to the fda banning the use of mifepristone which is used in half of abortions nationwide in the trunk campaign came in today to blame the answering the question, the press conference being cold, difficulty here which was their undoing. atrium campaign spokesperson i think not on the record, not named, said his position on the abortion medication, mifepristone, means the same. the supreme court unanimously decided on the issue and that matter is settled. that doesn't answer the actual question because the supreme

court first about did not really decide on it, they kicked it and punted on standing ground. the supreme court ruling as the washington post points out has no bearing on whether a future administration under the justice department could restrict mifepristone. drums, could undercut his efforts to distance himself from the hardest line abortion and his party. again, when someone is obfuscating as clearly as donald trump is obviously obvious getting, i'm going to announce it, don't you worry, they are lying. it is just easy, right? you don't do that if you just are going to tell the truth about your position. that is the key. the hardest line abortion opponents, the ones who want every abortion everywhere in the entire country to be illegal and criminal, all those forces working to analyze every abortion everywhere in the country for everyone are lying with donald trump and his campaign. of course trump himself has a clear antiabortion record because he proudly takes credit, rightly, for killing roe v. wade. having appointed the three

justices of the supreme court who are vetted on the federal side to make sure they would rule that way and who did roll that way and made that ruling happened. if he is elected again, justices like clarence thomas who he was applauding, always applauds, who might be open to just declaring the constitution bands abortion federally, not to mention other conservative federal judges all over the country. and of course, to garrett haake's excellent question, he will have the power over important agencies in the executive branch like the department of justice and the fda which could enact antiabortion policies with zero input from congress. they could do it on day one. and again, this is not fanciful stuff. there is an actual written game plan to do all this. the full antiabortion plan is all written down, clearly laid out in the radical blueprint for the next republican administration known as project 2025. i quote from it here, the dobbs

decision is just the beginning, conservatives in the state and in washington including in the next conservative administration should push as hard as possible to protect the unborn in every jurisdiction in america. the plan also takes direct aim at medication abortion, alleging abortion pills both the single greatest threat to unborn children in a post-roe world. the fda should, and again, i quote, reverse its approval of chemical abortion drugs and as an interim step, the fda should immediately eliminate dangerous abortion and abortion by mail distribution, that is of course people getting prescription via telehealth. if you are tracking here, right? the obvious conservative plan, republican party plan, they think abortion is murder, they want there to be zero abortions in america, is to ban medication use and half of all abortion in this country on day one by essentially executive fiat, that is just the

beginning. again, this is the reason project 2025 is so important, right? because when you interview donald trump, when he gives a press conference, what you get is, it could be humane. right? they wrote it down. it is telling us right there in black and white, the full truth of what donald trump and his party want to do. i think the idea honestly was this boring 900 page plan is going to be for policymakers and the trunk campaign would speak to why a republican audiences and more palatable terms but again they posted online for everyone to read. all of their total odious and wildly unpopular proposals. the trunk campaign is that was a mistake, the senior advisor called the project a pain, trump has desperately tried to distance himself claiming he knew nothing about it. campaign pressure in 2025 two ban, don't minos, putting the

cookie back in the cookie jar, we were never taking it to begin with. even threatening that people involved in the project would be banned from the second trump administration. despite all the protests in the face of an atlanta bad press, project 2025 is no runaway train, nothing about is broke or accident. donald trump troubled by private plane with the man behind the project, the mastermind. heritage foundation president kevin roberts on the way to a 2022 heritage conference when trump delivered a keynote address that was for the coming policy proposal saying in that speech, they are going to lay the groundwork and detailed plans for exactly what our movement will do. his words. okay, you say, that is one thing. also his running mate, jd vance, literally wrote the forward for the heritage present's forthcoming book phrasing, representing a new future for conservativism, a long list of former trump officials and not former officials, like people now are

directly related with the project including former office of management and budget director. that is like, the guy who is going to be the big dude in the next administration. from acting distant secretary, former deputy chief of staff. even trump's former senior policy advisor, one of the most charming indicators you will ever encounter. stephen miller is featured in a project 2025 promotional video. that is him with all his considerable charm sitting next to copies of project 2025 which he denies he has anything to do with, zoom in, look on the left. that is project 2025, that is stephen miller. don't be distracted about what a good communicator he is. no denying it, project 2025 is the trump plan. it is a big part of why trump is in the situation failing miserably watching the enthusiasm around the harris/walz ticket . tim miller is a former rnc spokesman, now

writer at large, former democratic congresswoman from maryland, they both join me now. i thought as we were sort of watching that rally footage in arizona, were obviously abortion is going to be huge and carry lake has tried to trim her sales on this and anyone with any sort of sense of the electorate in arizona realizes the 1861 abortion ban and code of law that put the age of consent at 12 or 13, i think? probably not your best friend politically. i do think there is a little bit of comical jedi mind tricking that trump is doing today where he is like, it's not going to be a big issue. if i say that, it won't. >> yeah, sorry, i am a little flustered at super zoom on stephen miller, really has me scrambled a bit here. but i don't think the jedi mind trick is going to work. it might be a mind trick on himself, don't show him again.

it might be a trick on himself. the guy yesterday, i guess my only nitpick with your very strong intro there would be that maybe trump isn't obfuscating, maybe this is an elderly man that has lost a little bit of touch with what is happening in reality. many times he could not hear, yesterday. he also cannot hear the questions of the event. he told a story about the helicopter crash landing with willie brown that supposedly happened 40 years ago where willie brown was talking about kamala harris. is that true? was he ever in a helicopter in california? is it possible they got it mixed up? the whole story is true, so you could say he is making that up but at other times he is mixing things up. maybe he does not know what mifepristone is.'s performance yesterday just did not show out of disk sturdy -- dexterity with a lot of strategy or messaging. i think yeah, he is lying, but he also is, you know, not exactly at the top of his game. >> one addendum to that which

just broke the new york times, angrily called the new york times and threatened to sue him saying india he did go down in a crash with billy brown and that he has the flight records. this appears to be completely fabricated. if it happened and billy brown has no recollection, oh, the helicopter crash involving the mayor of san francisco and donald trump, which i think we would have a record of. that is where that stands. donna, the abortion -- the attempt to say 2025 doesn't exist and there's not going to be a problem on an abortion, i guess they don't have another way of approaching this. they at least are smart enough to recognize what a political loser it is but i wonder, you think -- it has any chance of working? >> i absolutely don't. first of all, project 2025 now

isn't just dense policy documents sitting on somebody's shelf. it has been popularized in a way, i think that they did not anticipate. and so it makes sense that tim walz and kamala harris are mentioning project 2025 over and over in their speeches, people are talking about it, they are beginning to understand what it means. and so i think it's going to be very difficult if not impossible to run away from it and for the fact that so many of the trump acolytes, people in his former administered, people who might be in his next administration, should hopefully never become, but become president. so you can't really run away from what exists. on abortion, i listen to that psychobabble in that press conference and thought, these people are really struggling here because

abortion is going to be on the ballot in a handful of's dates, it is going to be central to the freedom agenda of the harris campaign. there is no way that they can continue this craziness around trying to make up what their position as on abortion rights. it is just not going to work. >> quickly, i think part of -- the reason i think it is working, seriously, the whole theory of project 2025 was, we got caught flat footed, not ready to do stuff like he is the full power and forces of government they won, so this idea that the fda has an interim administrator day one and bands mifepristone is 100% plausible. i really want to hammer this home. it is not like, there is a filibuster and can they get votes? this really is the plan. >> s, and the people that are writing project 2025 will staff the administration. that is the other thing, they have been vetted by the

heritage foundation, their people that worked for trump in the past, they are the m.a.g.a. adherents in the policy world who want to be part of a trump administration. and so if you were to take donald trump seriously, there is no reason to come he says i am distancing myself from project 25, you could say i will not or anybody. that was part of project 2025 to work in my administration because i find it so noxious. obviously is not going to say that because those are the only people that want to work for him. so i think absolutely should take very seriously what is in there and it is very plausible that it would, at least the stuff in the federal side of it could get put into effect. >> quickly, do you think we will get the big announcement about which way trump is putting on the florida abortion ban? >> i know we are all waiting for it, right? the answer to that is, of course not. >> i think you are right on that. are a number there is a whole

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the polling lead in multiple swing states evaporated as republicans have struggled to stem the momentum of the harris/wald campaign. in the past when he was on the younger side, trump's response would have been supple, just get out there and do more tv and do more rounds. now the 78-year-old is hardly campaigning at all. he is compulsively posting angrily to social media. and doing rambling press conferences like the one he did yesterday although crucially from the comfort of literally his own house. the harris/walz campaign is trawling trump for it saying in a press release that donald trump is too lazy to fight for anything but himself or leave his country club, fine by us. in fairness, he does have one campaign event scheduled this week, it is right there on the events paged, it is in deep red montana and it is in the pivotal electoral bastion of bozeman, montana.

>> actually i am going out to certain places to help certain senators get elected, i am trying to help when i go out to wyoming or to montana or i am going to different places, to help people, and i don't have to go there because i am leading those states by 35, 40, 50 points. i'm going because i want to help senators and congressmen get elected. >> among other things, is there anyway, the idea if you believe trump there, he has that kind of guy. he doesn't want to do it, he is just doing it out of the kindness of his own heart. except you won't be surprised to learn it is not really the story here, there is another reason that has to do primarily with a guy who is not from montana and has nothing to do with montana. it is this guy. he remains for their mentor of

this term and the remainder of another term if he is elected. >> and you cling to me how a guy that it's mcdonald's and never exercises is in as good a shape as he is in? >> it is called genetics. some people have great genes. i told the president if he had a healthier diet over the last 20 years he might live to be 200 years old, i don't know. i would say to answer your question he has incredibly good genes, it is just the way god made him. >> that was ronnie jackson acting as trump's presidential physician in 2018. jackson has now become a far right conspiracies spewing m.a.g.a. congress met in texas but that wasn't always going to be his next job after the navy. in 2018, trump wanted to reward jackson for raving about his virility and health to the public. and that reward was to nominate jackson to be secretary of veteran affairs. running the $300 billion federal agency that provides crucial care and benefits for the nation's military veterans.

he made a surprise announcement and it quickly blew up in trump's face after dozens of former colleagues came forward to allege that jackson had misused prescription drugs created a hostile work environment and been drunk on the job. those allegations were collected and investigated by the senate veterans affairs committee, top democrat senator john custer of montana. >> i understand he had a nickname? >> yep, there was the candy man because he handed out prescription drugs like they were candy. >> the white house doctor is nicknamed among some people in the white house, the candy man. >> that is correct, that is what we were told. >> he was reticent to discuss the allegations, they were so serious, he said, they could not be ignored. >> i think that we have seen as a pattern of problems people deserve to know. a lot of folks have said mainly from the white house, we should not be doing this. it would be senatorial

malpractice for us not to follow up on this issue and find out what kind of a push in ronnie jackson is. i have never done this before, i just want to get the best person to run the pa that is possible because our veterans deserve that and these aren't my accusations. is her accusations by active and retired military personnel that have come to us, we are just trying to follow up to make sure what is true and what is not. >> to be clear, the senator was supported by the republican member, ranking member of the senate veterans affairs committee of the time. they all knew the allegations against jackson were numerous and serious. eventually the military would agree, the pentagon released an investigation that concluded jackson disparate, belittled, bullied and humiliated his subordinates, engaged in inappropriate conduct involving the use of alcohol, ambien while he was on duty, it is bad

enough that they demoted him and rank to captain after he had retired. then jackson had withdrawn from consideration and launch a successful campaign for congress as a kind of trump accolade. trump did not forget, he was so incensed that he cannot just install one biggest cheerleaders at the head of the va, he swore a vendetta against senator jon tester who was up for reelection that year. >> watch what jon tester of montana, a state that i won by, like, over 20 points. really -- they loved me and i love them and i want to tell you that jon tester, i think this is going to cause him a lot of problems. for him to be doing this to this man and his family, i think jon tester has to have a big price to pay in montana because i don't think people in montana -- the admiral is the kind of person that they respect and admire. and they don't like seeing what

has happened to him. >> the captain, plaintiff! despite trump's efforts, jon tester won his reelection bid in 2018. a year later, he is running for reelection again. it is an uphill battle. it is trump country. at the statewide level and the presidential. this week, trump is going to montana and only montana to campaign against a democratic senator he blames for thinking ronny jackson's chance to do trump spitting at the va. can't get the guy off the golf course to campaign for his own election. he is not out there stumping with his own vice president candidate who is doing his whole stocker tour. he is only doing press conferences from the comfort of his own house at mar-a-lago, the only thing that gets is a 70-year-old man on the campaign trail is one event is a revenge tour. if you have any question about what would power a second trump term? think about this. little ralph an increasingly

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i want to play a sound from a focus group of swing voters in wisconsin by an organization called gauges.

it is a group of 12 people who all voted for both trump and biden in the past. you have nine independents, two democrats antirepublican and they were asked what they feel when they see the new democratic nonie, kamala harris, on tv. >> i am happy, i am enthused. >> i am curious, i want to know -- >> i am mostly proud. >> confused. >> nauseated. >> relieved. >> relief. >> relief. >> and different. >> cautiously optimistic. >> i am cautiously optimistic. >> i liked what she said since -- i have seen her speak a couple of times on the news and on youtube and i am liking it more and more, what she is saying. >> the vibes appear to be changing, notably of that group until wisconsin swing voters, nine said they would vote for harris over trumpian he had to had. in a three-way race, it was 8- 1. for harris over trump, with rfk junior picking up two votes, i think the one who is nauseated will probably not come over. mala >> reporter: morrow is a democratic state senator in

michigan. david is the president of leaders we deserve, and they join me now. david, i want to start with you because one of the things we covered a lot in the first part of this campaign when the nominee was joe biden or likely going to be, with that there was a divergence between what you might call the sort of trail conditions of the country which by a lot of metrics and formulas you might use to predict these things seem to show a country that was doing pretty well in many respects and the pulling and the vibes, and i feel like we have gotten a real-time test of how much was about vibes and the vibes have changed a lot, what do you think? >> i think they absolutely have changed for the better. i think that young people are fired up. i think for the first time in many voters lies, they are not just voting against like donald trump, they are voting for someone. whether that is somebody like vice president, harris and governor tim walz or whether that is somebody like katrina who i am currently talking to you right now from a motel in

rural wisconsin where i am working on a congressional with a young candidate right now. recurring to turn out young people around the country by giving them other young people to vote for. we need to make sure people understand this is not just about the president election, this is also about making sure abortion isn't banned in your state, about making sure you have stronger gun laws passed by your state because he knows so much will get blocked by the filibuster in congress but there is a lot of action at the state level and that is what we are doing at leaders we deserve. if you want to learn more, you can go to the website to hear more about our candidates and what we are doing. >> senator morrow, from your perspective in michigan, what have you seen? >> it is night and day from a few weeks a day to now. first of all i want to start by maybe giving donald trump a bit of credit. i watched his press conference yesterday, maybe he confused montana with michigan because they are states that both start with the letter m but this is the thing state and i can tell you on the ground the energy is so infectious. we saw 15,000 people plus out

in detroit this week. there is a when he hissed and sing along, people were just thrilled for hours on end. we have seen record sign-ups, we have seen people making homemade merchandise, it is like nothing that i have seen since 2008. people are excited and optimistic and they want to be a part of choosing joy. i don't think you can underestimate how powerful it is to move past grievance and anger and hate and finally be proud of this country again and what we can accomplish when we work together. and that is the vision that kamala harris and tim walz are presented as. >> to the extent we have empirical means of measuring, small dollar donors, attendance at rallies, volunteer sign-ups, we would not be doing this segment if this is just some feeling. you are watching 15 to 20,000 people at an arena in glendale, arizona right now. shaking their signs and going

crazy. i also do think there is something -- politics can be cruel in some ways or ironic and this stuck out to me, that joe biden, again, to sort of come back to the man's record as president particularly in domestic policy versus his polling, since he dropped out, his approval rating has gone up five points. so, like, nothing has changed in the way he is president and nothing has changed really objectively in the material conditions. but to me that single number speaks to the fact that there was an issue with him -- his candidacy specifically that even his own political standing has increased subsequent. >> yeah, it has. i think it shows that people are very approving of a statesman and that is what joe biden has been, a public servant his entire life. it is important to note he is part of the inspiration for why i created leaders we deserve with the campaign manager,

because i know this is hard to believe but president biden was 29 when he was first elected in if we look at some of the most successful presidents ever had, whether that is fdr or lbj, they were both 28 years old when they were first elected to congress and their state legislature and it makes sense. if you start when you're younger you get a ton of experience and i think what voters are doing in those approval polls is they are seeing joe biden for who he is which is a good man that ultimately we knew was going to make the right decision because he's always going to put the country before himself and that is exactly what he did and that is why voters are so fired up now to the vice president harris out there getting the full attention of the media for the first time in three years because vice presidents are often left out of it and now we are also seeing governor tim walz out there that many people had only heard of in the political scene but now are super fired up about and young people are more ecstatic frankly, then i have ever seen them before because this time they are not just voting against donald trump, they are truly voting for somebody.

they are voting for someone they believe in and that is so powerful and i know people, they just want, like we said earlier, they want joy. so tired of the dark moment our country has been in and these young people are part of that. if anybody wants to help, they can go to leaders quizzicallydeserve.com. how linked are the fates of folks in the state legislator? the prospect at the top of the ticket, the marquee statewide races? >> we have always said all politics is local but if we have learned anything over the past few cycles it is that all politics is also national. and ask hard as our candidates work, we can't break out of what is happening on the national level. the amount of energy, the amount of donations, first-time donations, i got a text from my kindergarten teacher who had never donated to a candidate in her life. if weekend channel that energy and bring it down to all of our state has candidates who are up

to hold our democratic majority, we all win and we maintain a strong foundation that ensures that kamala harris not only becomes president but succeeds once she is in office. >> david hogg and mallory mcmorrow, thank you. really appreciate it. what a difference a few weeks make not just in the national polls but the statewide and local polls. incredible new pulling on down ballot races, coming up. the fingerprints we leave behind show how determined we are to give the world a piece of ourselves. etsy.

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so, arizona, this has been a big week. on monday, i officially became the democratic nominee for president of the united states. and on tuesday, i announced my running mate in this campaign, governor tim walz! >> kamala harris talking to a roaring crowd in glendale, arizona tonight. back in early june, the big bright spot for democrats was that the senate candidates were

outperforming the top of the ticket president joe biden, particularly in the key swing states. in wisconsin, senator tammy baldwin was beating her challenger by seven points. in arizona, ruben gallego was ahead of kerry lake by three points. in ohio which is a state donald trump in, senator sherrod brown was beating her challenger by five points. the fear that began to creep in was that by the's numbers could start to impact the down ballot races to the point that candidates like senator baldwin in wisconsin were skipping appearances with the president. now everyone appears to be back on board. on wednesday, congresswoman elissa slotkin walked in her own senate race before. tonight in arizona, congressman gallego is enthusiastically campaigning alongside the gentle ticket as well. maria is a managing director of indivisible and served for harry reid. david jolly is a former republican -- congressman from

florida. let me start with you. the point mallery made in the last segment, to some extent all politics are national at this point. the top of the ticket matters a lot, the distinction we were seeing between senate candidates and the top ticket, no one thought that was probably going to last. what does it look like for these marquee statewide races now from your perspective? >> always good to be back with you, chris. i will pull out a few quick things. one, the vibes are starting to reveal themselves in all of the polling data. we are seeing it as a grassroots movement. there are 400 action teams being created, 25 upticks in our canvassing shifts. so just to say, the vibes are translating to action and then two, when you look at senate races like in ohio and arizona, we have a couple things in common. one, we have great senate candidates and we have states have electorates that have a

commitment, a passion around abortion rights and have fought for those rights and are going to continue to fight for them all the way to the ballot. now we just have more options. now the ballot from top to bottom can interact in a way that is good for everyone on the ballot this fall. >> david, if you just sort of look at the numbers, the democrats have a definite map, a very tough senate map, they are defending in a lot of difficult places. but it has been the one bright spot of pulling. if you look at a place like wisconsin, right? which is a swing state, if they are split, tammy baldwin and if there is a public and senator as well, but the nominee so far, he is pulling behind, the same has been the case in ohio. brown has pulled off a series of gravity defying victories in that state. and we saw some present in 2022 when i just feel that a lot of pretty bad candidates who got locked in here they probably could have won with better ones.

>> yeah, for the last two years, democrats were kind of preordained to lose the senate. it was written in. just bad math this year. under the fighting coalition there was not much reason to think otherwise. but the harris coalition is performing dynamically different than the biden coalition. everything has changed and you have really good senate democratic candidates, the incumbents are actually good, those races now are looking competitive and i think there is some dissonance right now between two schools of thought and it is early. one school of thought is, harris has all the momentum and this race is getting close to being aware, that there is nothing donald trump can do to change the dynamic. the other theory, the more sober, realistic one, is that everything returns to the mean. when it returns to the mean, the president race becomes competitive and the senate races to become more challenging for democrats. but listen, right now, there is reason to put weight on both theories. one that perhaps vice president harris and the harris coalition is really going to win this thing and going to be an uplift

in many of the cement democrats. >> i think things are going to be tight everywhere because the structural factors in american politics can be tight. it will be tight everywhere. but i guess one question i have for you is, when you think about what enthusiasm translates to, short of putting some numbers to it, what does that mean? why is it good? when you argue on the other side, one of the things that happened in 2020, obviously covid was happening but republicans would look around and be like, we are doing all these rallies, they don't have the same level of enthusiasm. how could we possibly lose by 7 million votes? which is to say as a political organizer i grew up with says fines don't vote. they are not always the same thing. so why does enthusiasm matter? >> just to say, i always appreciate coming on here to talk to you because you're an organizing nerd like the rest of us. the truth is that we have feedback m.a.g.a. candidate statewide in arizona the last three cycles , folks

do not think that was possible and i would come on shows and say, no, this is what we are hearing from our grassroots community, these are the actions they are taking, here is what they are hearing from fred and rural places. we are not going to win this places wholesale that we are going to help at the margins. for me what i am seeing is not only are we seeing energy from our volunteer base, it is growing, re-engaging, we are seeing brand-new people who are not politically active coming out and being politically active. as someone who has been working in movement organizing for the last seven years, when we see that we have got to pay attention because something special is going on, it doesn't mean it will not be competitive and tight but it means that we have a lot we are working with no and we should continue to actualize that and not worry too much about the polls or, let's focus on things we can change. >> thank you both, appreciate it. that is "all in" for this week. alex wagner starts tonight. >> at evening, that was an

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